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0017147ScribusTypographypublic2024-01-28 12:222024-02-15 18:39
Reporterpmjdebruijn Assigned To 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityalways
Status newResolutionopen 
Product Version1.6.2.svn 
Summary0017147: Align To BaseLine Grid ignores ascender height when not in direct use
DescriptionCurrently when there's a piece of text that doesn't have ascenders it will not leave room for potential future ascenders when aligning text to the baseline grid, this has two consequences:

1. Changing the text (including a letter for ascenders), suddenly significantly changes the layout
2. Aligning headers across pages can be very cumbersome

While in body text this usually is less of any issue, in headers particularly with titling fonts this can be quite problematic at times.

Steps To ReproduceSee attached .sla and screenshot
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pmjdebruijn

2024-01-28 12:22

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AlignBaseLineGridAscenders.sla (22,813 bytes)    
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AlignBaseLineGridAscenders.sla (22,813 bytes)   
AlignBaseLineGridAscenders.png (52,406 bytes)   
AlignBaseLineGridAscenders.png (52,406 bytes)   

pmjdebruijn

2024-01-28 12:24

reporter   ~0050940

Small note, this issue is mostly exposed with larger font sizes, and you need ascenders that are large enough to force a line skip.

jghali

2024-01-28 15:23

administrator   ~0050941

Honestly I don't understand what you are trying to show here.

pmjdebruijn

2024-01-28 15:43

reporter   ~0050942

When creating two text boxes, side by side, the specific glyphs in the text boxes determine which specific baseline they are being aligned too, which is unexpected behavior.

I'd expect the text boxes on the left, to align to the same baseline as the right, so the ascender height is included in the computation which baseline the text "snaps" to, effectively making this behavior deterministic irrespective of text content.

In the current situation, text inside a textboxes can change the baseline it snaps too, while you're typing, this shouldn't happen either.

Practically speaking using Align To Baseline for (large) header text is rather painful to use right now.

pmjdebruijn

2024-01-28 15:56

reporter   ~0050943

As a sidenote the other alignment modes, Fixed/Automatic, do seem to account for ascender headroom at all times, just like one would expect.

pmjdebruijn

2024-02-14 17:10

reporter   ~0050984

@jghali: any chance you could give me some pointers on where to look in the codebase?

cbradney

2024-02-14 21:29

administrator   ~0050987

This is why we have the baseline grid, plus the First Line Offset options on text frames. Maximum Ascent, Font Ascent etc

pmjdebruijn

2024-02-15 18:39

reporter   ~0050992

When 'Align to baseline grid' is enabled 'First Line Offset' doesn't seem to do anything.

'Font Ascent' works fine with "Automatic Linespacing", but of course that doesn't help me, as I need this kind of behavior combined with baseline grid, to be able to work efficiently.

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
2024-01-28 12:22 pmjdebruijn New Issue
2024-01-28 12:22 pmjdebruijn File Added: AlignBaseLineGridAscenders.sla
2024-01-28 12:22 pmjdebruijn File Added: AlignBaseLineGridAscenders.png
2024-01-28 12:24 pmjdebruijn Note Added: 0050940
2024-01-28 15:23 jghali Note Added: 0050941
2024-01-28 15:43 pmjdebruijn Note Added: 0050942
2024-01-28 15:56 pmjdebruijn Note Added: 0050943
2024-02-14 17:10 pmjdebruijn Note Added: 0050984
2024-02-14 21:29 cbradney Note Added: 0050987
2024-02-15 18:39 pmjdebruijn Note Added: 0050992